The Homelab Show Episode 121: Special Guest Level1 Techs

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Tags: AI, Machine Learning, Home Lab, Local Processing, Data Control, Chat GPT

Summary

• The host and guest discuss the Nvidia RTX 4000, a device that can run AI models locally without requiring external power. 
• They talk about the benefits of running AI models locally, including being able to control what data is uploaded and having more control over the processing.
• The guest mentions that he's been using chat GPT and exploring other AI models for their home labs.

Transcript

welcome to the home lab Show episode
episode number 121 with a special guest
Wendell how you doing Wendell how's it
going thanks for having me oh we're
excited Wendell has a cool little device
that we're gonna be talking about and
this dub Tails perfectly we talked about
how easy it is and it's amazing how easy
it is we'll talk about this some more to
get started with AI in your home lab
where you don't have to upload your data
to some company you can start deploying
these and uh it's just going to be a fun
we're just gon to RI on some home lab
stuff today we we don't have to have a
really strong we just have a couple
ideas we want to talk about there but I
think it's going to wander in some good
directions here because that that little
card that wentle uh 70 watts is that
what you said 70 Watts this is the RTX
4000 sfff Ada generation which is a
mouthful but that's it's new but it's
it's an RTX 4000 70 Watts so it doesn't
require external power it's half height
it is not single slot unfortunately
because it's got a pretty pretty good
cooler but it's got 20 gigs of vram ECC
vram and so this if you want to run an
llm locally like for o llama 20 gigs I
want to run a 14 billion parameter model
at real time token realtime levels of
token processing this is
amazing wow kind of makes me want to try
it out I haven't haven't done that yet
but that should be something I should
try out uh the large language models but
uh so sorry what was that called again
that device this is a Nvidia RTX
4000 uh sff Ada generation one more time
can you say it one more time I'm
Kidd we will have to put that in the
description do you have a video on it
yet Wendell ones I'm working on it I I
was I was not expecting to be impressed
by this little thing but it is in a 70
wat power envelope I am genuinely
surprised how how fast it is um for
doing local stuff like if just if you
just want to like load it up with oama
have you have you messed with AMA that's
one we talked about last time so that's
why I figured it's I'm really impressed
I know mol's got a new one that's
claiming I I it's uh invite only that's
supposed to be rivaling chaty B for that
you can run your home lab I haven't
tried I've tried the um dolphin mistal
uh the Co in the code llama and I'm
getting better at it I'm still very new
to it because I've been using chat GPD
because it's there and I kind of want to
get off of the dependence because I'm
always careful about any data that I
upload to it I'm make sure it's not
anything um that so that's why I started
playing with the local ones because I
just I want to be able to have control
over what goes into these things or not
worry about what goes into them because
I'm the one hosting it yeah exactly and
and you can also start doing fun
experimental things like giving it
control over things in home assistance
so you can just say hey home assistant
did was there anybody on the porch today
or you know hey home assistant like I'm
leaving now deal with that and it's like
okay let me turn the air conditioners
off and whatever so I haven't tried neon
yet but that's something on my list I'm
not talking about like the the neon OS
well it is an OS it's just not the KD
plasma one it's confusing the one
specifically for um a replacement for
the micro software since M well it's not
replacing it's not made just for that
but it's like the um chosen path forward
and I almost wonder if that would hook
into that so if I had my automated
assistant have uh be backed by a
language model then I think that would
be a great interface to get through to
talk to it and make it do stuff yeah
that's the great thing about AMA is that
because it's just an API you can do a
little shell script or a little python
script or whatever you want to do and uh
there was a guy that did a blog post I
think this kicked off home assistants I
haven't looked into this but supposedly
there's like a home assistant hackathon
or something for llms I don't know if
that's like I I just saw that somewhere
and I was like I need to go back and
look at that and I haven't gone back to
find that but somebody wrote a blog post
on training their llm to Output direct
Json that they could feed into home
assistant and it was like kind of the
starting point that kicked off
everything and it's like yes that's this
is the way it it's Star Trek level like
computer yeah there's a um you know a
lot of the AI has to do with prompting
and I mentioned last time uh and it's a
really cool GitHub project called fabric
by Daniel Mesler and I don't know if
you've looked at it but he's run an
amazing job of building everything with
a lot of really solid prompt engineering
for example he's a security researcher
so he wants to you got the news here's a
security problem what he does is he
actually takes it and comp pointed at
news articles and it outputs into a
standard Json format so he can import it
so we can understand the vulnerability
what it you know so he can read between
the lines and figure it out and it does
an excellent job of analyzing it it's
kind of something you may not think
about with LMS but it's not hard to tell
them say hey this like the security
research I was doing with this screen
connect thing I actually just used the
LM I'm like all right here's the IPS I
just need all this outputed in CSV
here's the input from showan with all
the lists uh we're going to filter it by
State we're going to come up with a list
I need to know the uh header for this
and I'll put all this in CSV and it made
the list for me that I'm calling from
like because I'm not that great at
scripting wow that's amazing the the up
up to now I got to do something more
clever because up to now the most
noteworthy thing I've done with um AI is
I had chat chat GPT explain the kill
command in Linux as if it's being
explained from or by a klling on from
Star Trek and it's just which is perfect
use absolute gold but um or um the ls
command explained by Regina George for
Mean Girls is another fun one but as far
as actually something productive um I've
had mixed results but it's definitely
coming coming along um as far as chat
GPT is concerned I know that's not the
um we can't self-host that but it is
kind of like the precursor I think that
gets a lot of people interested in this
and the next thing you know they're
running 10,000 servers in their basement
yeah it it's a it is a little bit of an
explosion I mean I the question for me
is on for the curve that we're on are we
on like the 1960s like look this is a
Mercury delay line and we haven't
invented transistors yet because things
are accelerating and shrinking at such a
rapid pace and also there's stuff like
um I've seen some really just
mindblowing demos of software like
neural magic to take it to take these
neural Nets and sparsify them so that
they run on CPUs because you know CPUs
it's fun it's like oh all of a sudden
your 128 or your your 64 to 128 core x86
C is suddenly very useful for doing
these kinds of things and also pairing
down the complexity of the neural net so
that it you know it's like a 17 billion
parameter model is almost as good as a
90 billion parameter model with the
appropriate you know tuning and this
kind of thing and so the utility of
these on it's going to be faster than
what we saw even with like cell phones
to go from like the suitcase phone to
like the giant you know cancer brick
phone to like what we have today is
going to seem like a lifetime compared
to how quick these these things move I
think I I kind of agree because it's
become affordable to train these because
someone was breaking down the costs uh
we had some when we have some more
servers coming they're for clients but
you know they make a pass through our
office while we set them up so we plan
to do a little bit of testing on some of
them and it's interesting because
they're I'm gonna put them in pseudo
affordable they're not outlandishly
expensive but even if you just rented
the stuff in the cloud someone told me
it's cost around two grand to do each
one of these training models I'm like
that's not crazy that's within realm of
a business who want to train on their
own data to build one of these
customized models out like you said a a
scale down but let's focus it on we're
going to train it on data we have two
grand for training not not old landish
yeah yeah it's amazing how how it's
going I almost wonder if we're seeing
the end or the beginning of the end of
the keyboard and mouse as input devices
and I know there's lots of people are
like you'll fry my mechanical keyboard
out of my cold dead hands I'm not
talking about those people I mean just
like the average you know non teie just
checks their email and you know
keyboards and mice I think I mean know
obviously it's more than that but I feel
like um it it's strange to me because as
a kid I would have thought by now we'd
not have any input devices we talk to
our computers but here we are the
keyboard and mouse but now finally like
you're saying the warp drive or you
didn't say warp drive I was thinking
warp drive um talking about inventions
and things and how it's uh really
ramping up it is kind of um I think we
are on the cusp of something with the AI
and I know a lot of people rolling their
eyes right now but believe me if uh you
we we're not bandwagon people here we
don't jump on bad bandwagons and Chase
Trends um we um we get excited about
something it's probably for a reason so
this is some cool stuff yeah this is
this is the most exciting but it's it
easily turns into a black hole and it's
it's also uh it's also you know
sometimes I feel like a parrot like I I
knew somebody that had a pet parrot and
the pet the parrot was always obsessed
with the reflection of themselves in the
mirror and I worry that some of the AI
stuff is a little bit like the parrot
it's like oh this is a reflection it's
like but it's not actually doing
anything useful like I'm spending a lot
of time with this but like is it really
is it like actually super handy I I
don't know I think there's Outer Limits
episodes and probably um other sci-fi
shows that cover this topic in detail
what exactly happens when it has a it
has an you know an opinion of mankind
based on the data it ingested but then
it uh thinks we're evil or something
well I tell you I tell you the test this
this this will set your mind at ease
when you're playing with all these llms
ask it to play a game of rock paper
scissors and and tell it to go first and
then after you win 10 times in a row ask
it if it has any idea how you're winning
yeah oh that's fun it doesn't know it's
just like I don't know you seem really
lucky and it's like okay
cool there's a lot of things it just
doesn't understand uh and I I was
looking over because I remember the name
of the article but this is a article I
can add it to the description here um it
well research paper done at Cambridge
very recently published uh like last
week and I took the time to read it
because it really highlights that it's
an assistive technology and it's really
interesting one of the lines I pulled
from it was in a case of cosmic irony AI
is not trustly with facts and numbers
like I love the person very realistic it
does respect it does not respect rules
AI is however remarkably effective at
acquiring knowledge acquiring tactic
knowledge uh rather than relying on
hardcoded procedures AI learns by
examples gains Mastery without implicit
instruction and acquires capabilities
that it was not explicitly engineered to
possess they kind of go on of the whole
purpose of the paper is go this isn't
the end of work this is the end of jobs
this is just another tool and those who
embrace it as a tool are going to have
the most success I mean there's always
somebody going can I replace my entire
department with AI that's definitely the
trend we're seeing pushed for but that's
not a realistic but in in the case of
like I used it for this morning of
parsing a bunch of data that I didn't
really have time to write a script for
um it does a great job of that but it
also screwed up on some of it because it
just decided something I looked at the
output and said you're completely
ignoring something I told you to do and
I told it that I said you've ignored the
curl DK command you know the insecure
ignore the certificates and it says oh I
will fix that and I told it to do it
implicitly at the beginning it just
decided not to which of course made it
give me an error instead of the result I
wanted so it is kind of weird how it
just does something on its own even
though you told it to do something else
but if you put it in the hands of an
expert so who has a general idea what
you need done you understand where the
flaws are and it got me 90% of the way
there I just prompted it one more time
to fix the stupid it did and then I
fixed it right that's an an interesting
thing that it's interesting you bring
that up because that's something I've
noticed about running local models and
some of that like I guess what that's
referred to is like the number of local
tokens that are supported for context
and so um I've noticed that with local
models you can set them up so that you
can ingest Millions of tokens to give it
context like here is the entire code
base and I would like for you to look
for these common security issues in the
case of a an AI coding model that has
been trained by meta or whoever and it's
it's surprisingly good um there was I
saw I need to actually saw this morning
and I was going to read some more about
it sometime today if I had time someone
took their code repository and their
GitHub issue queue and just used one of
the local models that had an absurd
token length and they fed it their
codebase and they fed it their issue que
and they actually got two or three
useful patches out of that to solve
those issues that were described in the
issue queue and it was little more work
than ingest the entire code base for
context in just the GitHub issue feed
and it's like all right let's get to
work what do we got to do here it's like
well this might fix it what do you think
it's like yeah this is a good idea fixed
done didn't really have to put as much
work into it yeah is cool I I think
those are some of the edge cases you
know just before I jumped on here and
something I mentioned because I did a
live stream about it was that there's a
major flaw and a major tool used by a
lot of people that is causing chaos at
the moment and uh AI can do good fuzzing
at things and help security researchers
as once again aist of tool to find silly
things that they have overlooked when
they've uh wrote their code and you know
leads to a big vulnerability and
everyone having a panic attack over it I
think those are going to be really good
future uses for it because we just don't
have enough security researchers for all
the software to gets built out there I
mean we have good coding practices now
but um the reality is the long tale of
Legacy keeps slapping us because well we
know there's a new product that was
written in a modern architecture but
this one written for 13 years ago still
works
like so um I want to Circle back though
what is the price point on that Nvidia
device there so I was going to ask the
same thing I think these are around
$1,100 so you're still better off with a
gaming GPU if you go that route but very
low power and very uh very
uh Sleek yeah 70 Watts like you're got
it's like I'm gonna underclock a gaming
GPU okay maybe kind of I mean but yeah
exactly I mean it's just so cool that
some of the hardware that's coming out
um especially considering you could buy
a you know like a PCI board with
raspberry pies on it just like craz yeah
well and I 70 Watts matters a lot one of
the challenges is those super micro AI
systems um and one I it's the same one I
reviewed on my channel it's it almost
4,000 watts at full
load yeah thing is W so we ran into two
problems first we had to plug his four
power supplies so two power supplies
plugged into one side of our lab another
one pled to other side of the lab second
problem is we left the door closed
because it was so loud and then we
realized that the lab which is a pretty
big room it's about a 20 by 30 room or
so it was really hot in there we're like
okay the lab is now because we were uh
running hash cap we wanted to see just
how many passers we could crack and uh
which was amusing but also we actually
got we were like okay I think it could
be approximately 90 degrees in this
room and it's winter here in Detroit for
those who don't know it's what well I
mean is it winter because I don't even
know what season it is this year from
one day to the next oh yeah beautiful
today I think we have like 55 degrees we
we were at like 20 degrees the other day
we're back up to 55 so it's just like
random it's like a random number
generator is our forecast for this
year throw a random number out there so
what are some of like the do you have
any hidden gems for home lab wendle like
like some it could be something like
that or anything else that people don't
really realize they could use or
anything that uh we may not have talked
about I what's new in h lab anything on
your radar um I really like the
direction so at the bleeding edge if
you're willing to get your hands dirty
and that kind of stuff I I really like
the direction everything is going in
with home lab and home lab integration
and like the proliferation of like
standards compliance sensors where you
don't need cloud-connected stuff and and
and also the fact that there are some
really amazing viable tools that will
probably get a nice slick gooey in the
next year or two for doing things like
managing home security and cameras and
asset protection but also just things
like hey the water's running and no
one's home that's weird I should
probably turn that off like yeah that
kind of stuff that kind of quality of
life stuff is is really not because you
don't always notice it's like oh that
somebody you know the garden hose thing
is leaking on the side of the building I
I never would have noticed that unless
it was like Hey the water's running at
like three o'clock in the morning for
like an hour that seems weird that's
outside your us pattern the um I funny
to mention it I just went on a full task
around the whole house I now have I mean
they're so inexpensive I think they're
by zoos the water sensors they're
inexpensive they're all over my house uh
I have home assistant set up to do push
notifications on my phone my wife's
phone and uh we've already had one get
tripped and go off someone good news it
wasn't actually a leak someone just
tipped over uh something under the sink
and soaked my water sensor so it wasn't
actually a SN because we got them we put
them on it us they're so cheap I think
they're like I don't know they were on
sale for like 15 bucks so I bought a
bunch and um you know we had a
dishwasher problem but those little
things like that I don't want to trust
some third party that maybe has
something and matter of fact the battery
life on these is people were saying like
a year or two and I'm like wow this is
kind of great it all ties into a home
assistant they have zigg models zwave
models do you know I have zigby and
zwave on my home assistant but I think
you're right seeing a lot of these
devices and I have a little little one
in my hand um that I use just for
automation all these little touch
buttons and then you can program it and
I'm like I have no Cloud dependency if
the internet's out whatever I can
control my home and I never thought
about this because I've never used any
of the cloud ones but one of the things
people my friends my neighbors because
they're normal people who just use Alexa
for
everything um they were impressed you're
like when you touch the button on your
phone it's instant ours like delays I'm
like like oh yeah it probably makes
sense that the cloud one sometimes
delays and they like sometimes we just
finally get aggravated and turn the
light switch on I'm like oh yeah I touch
it it's like all local so it's 100% like
there's like this immediateness to it I
love that well you can't really sell the
comment uh the internet's down so we
can't turn our lights off that there's
no one nobody in the house that's going
to feel like that's an acceptable thing
to say like what we need the internet to
turn off a light switch depending on how
it's set up obviously but then of course
light switch is you you have them turn
off and everything comes off the network
so you always have the spouse approval
Factor if you live with somebody that
they may not care about all this stuff
excuse me but they want it simplified so
I thought about these and I'm going to
try them these wallmounted buttons that
they're not like the normal like if you
rent you're not you're not wanting to do
surgery on your electrical inside a
house you don't own so you s on I got
know battery operated little things with
a command strip you just stick on the
wall has a single button on it and you
just put a script behind the button and
call it a day but um that's what I'm
that's something I'm going to be looking
into as well I know it's relatively
entry level but sometimes it's those
simple things that make home assistant
like hard to sell inside your own house
because some people just think it's
complicated I'm still using the uh the
Lutron switches that are drop in 110
volt but they have the optional like
stick on battery operated ones and their
buttons are reprogrammable but you have
to get the bridge to do it and it still
works with home assistant and everything
else I don't know there's probably
something better by now because those
switches are a year or two old but I'm
hoping that you know people sort of
catch on as like no this should be like
a five or 10e solution the people that
early adopted The Nest thermostat is
like oh by the way we don't support this
anymore it's like it's a thermostat
like then they open sourced it right
right they jail broke it right no I went
with the um the in Brighton zwave ones
and they because there's no uh bridging
needed they they connect fine and they
also uh they have the ability to change
them right inside a home system you can
change the settings on like they have a
light do you want the light on when the
light is on or off when the light is on
so you can like program little things to
it um I think you can program a couple
other things on there I thought was kind
of cool but the EMB brighten ones are um
one of the things I liked about them
they offer a higher amperage switch than
some of the other ones uh I have a
couple spots because we are I have it
controlling my outside lights I'm like
well there's enough lights on there
outside of my house that this is more
than this is a bigger circuit and they
have a couple options for that so does
Honeywell honeywell's in a Z-Wave game
with some uh higher amperage ones as
well which I like to see a name brand
one like that's kind of cool zwave and
no Hub needed tied right into my home
assistant yeah honey well needs to hire
an open source Zar because Honeywell
could take over the market they've got
the hardware engineering and they've got
the the longevity and their their
headspace is right but whoever is
running their software stuff has not
it's just it's disappointing it really
is because they could they could be
doing some amazing Innovative things and
it probably would pad their bottom line
significantly given the Wasteland of
other devices that exist
because you know and this is the part
that always puzzled me when companies
don't just give in like cool we're a
harder manufacturer we could we could
actually make more money by stopping the
software pushing it towards home
assistant and be like the home like home
assistant hey guys you guys are doing a
great job keep making that great
software we're just going to make
Hardware because that's where our margin
is uh and kind of work like have home
insistent list like have something if it
wants to tie to the the usual stuff but
I think you're right there there's a lot
of companies that could really seize the
moment and say this home assistant
things got some traction yeah it does
and one thing I thought I think is kind
of strange about that I I I could see
home assistant becoming like a standard
but I'm surprised it isn't by now I feel
like it will be and it kind of already
is in a way but it's like Android came
out and henset manufacturers realized
they don't have to design an operating
system well they have to tweak it
obviously but they they have a starting
point already made and it it kind of
took off well kind of took off it really
took off Android's huge and it's in
everything and home assist can you know
be pre-installed on devices and things
like that in the same way but and it is
happening it's just not as much as I
thought it would be by now but I could
totally see it becoming the Android for
home for home automation essentially
that would be kind of need I like that
in concept I think I think what's going
to happen is like home assist is
probably going to take over the universe
the way that Linux took over the
universe basically everywhere but
desktop and it's like it's Android well
it's Linux under the hood but it took a
billion dollar company putting a $5
million UI on it at first to make it
like oh this is now palatable and
acceptable and so somebody 100% true y
probably gonna do that well people hate
change which is you know you know just
kind of getting off my year the Linux
desktop will never happen soap box it's
like people in my mind they're like well
based on this statistic in this
statistic it's not working on the dtop
no no no no people hate
change an opportunity because you're not
you're not taking down the current
dominant company that's doing home
assist home assist is something still
right definitely for us nerds but
definitely outside the Nerds there's not
that many people like my neighbors maybe
they have a couple light switches tied
to it because it's simple and they like
Tech a little bit but it's not the
average mainstream so it's still
Greenfield out there to actually build
this I think there's a there's there's
totally a cottage industry of like if
you want to be a home alarm installer
you know it's like oh this is the home
alarm installer for whatever it totally
could be a cottage industry to just be
like oh this is the home assistant
installer for blah blah blah for
high-end homes or or whatever and you
just have an llm you talk to and it's
just like you know hello house I would
like to listen to music and it's like
okay let's do that and then it just you
know does it and follows you around and
it's not Cloud connected there's no
privacy it doesn't remember things it
doesn't have a concept of rock paper
scissors so you know you know it's
reasonably safe it's not g to try to
kill you in your sleep he doesn't know
why it would do it yeah yeah exactly
exactly so um that but also like at the
low end for home lab um I've been really
impressed that tail scale hasn't gone
evil like tail scale has been really
amazing yeah and so it's like I want to
run my own self-hosted documents and my
whole own self-hosted thing and it's
like great let's encrypt with the domain
level authorization so you can get SSL
certificates behind a firewall and
tailcap and done it's like you can run
your own like why not um I'm I'm shocked
I there's people in the waiting though
because I've I've been in contact and
talking to the developers over at netb
bird and they basically copied
everything tailes scale does but they
give you a ability to self-host a
control plane but it's one of those
things like it's going to be hard
because tail scales undeniably that
they' have been a good company I mean
they even took the time to contribute
code to head scale because they care
like I I've always been kind of
impressed by that with them and uh but
you know from an ease of use I recommend
it to Homeland people all the time I'm
like here do this tail scale problem
solved yep yeah tail scale is awesome I
I feel like I'd use it more if I left
the house you know because it's like I
I'm just G to bridge things internally
but for a bridging something to a cloud
instance is um pretty cool but one thing
I want to plug before I forget because
we're talking about you know being in
control of things and hosting things uh
why you want to host or maintain your
own system um if you don't know why
watch um episode or season 11 episode 7
of the X Files if you watch that episode
you will absolutely understand fully by
the end of that episode why you have to
be in control of your iot and all the
things because I guarantee you um that's
a conclusion everyone will come to
watching that episode it's like the best
example of of this it all starts because
they didn't leave a tip on their meal um
with the automated uh meal delivery
thing at the beginning and then cha
ensues from there on it's fun yeah or
look at the wisecam incident yesterday
so oh that's simpler yeah yeah but any
xiles episode seven just throwing it out
there yeah but um yeah tail scale I back
to the subject anyway tail scale I would
uh I'm gonna probably sit down and and
work with that a lot more because I feel
like you know bridging a VPS to the
local network is a great use case for
that I think that's probably what I'll
start
with yeah I think um it's very
freeing that knowing that you can
confidently run like next cloud and you
can be a little LAX with the security
updates yeah you don't have to be
cutting edge because it's all behind
there and the the where Sal scills
Advantage right now is and granted I'll
thank you for netb bird for being doing
this they took the time to publish on
Google and Apple so you have device
level stuff which is good that's those
are the only ways like that is the
minimum bar right now because tail scale
said it like you have to have a really
good free plan you have to have
integration with all the devices that
people use in U that is sometimes the
challenge with some of these companies
especially the open source ones is
actually going through the trouble of
getting something publish in app
stores right yeah yeah well there's head
scale but then with head scale it's like
it's exactly the problem it's like you
can't use head skill because there's no
published apps unless you DIY and S side
load it yourself it's like okay yeah um
fun thing though then this is where back
to saying tail scale is not evil I
thought this was so nice to them they
you used to not be able to change on the
App Store what if you downloaded
directly from the App Store not s loaded
you couldn't change where the uh headend
server was they added an option they had
an update where they added it and the
only reason to do this was to allow
competitors I mean that is like they did
something that's against themselves so
to speak that let you switch what server
so you can host it because they don't
offer a self-hosted option at all but
head scale is the only other option you
have so they actually if I think you got
to do there's instructions that has has
something like you got to tap it five
times in the spot and then it brings up
a menu but the fact that that exists and
they documented it means they're you
know that's a cool
feature yeah tail scale is more the
whole model I told Tom this I don't know
if I ever said this on air but back when
I first started and I knew absolutely
nothing uh this whole networking model
that we have now with tail scale zero
tier uh it's like how I thought
networking would work when I did not
know how networking works I thought oh
it's probably just a piece of software
everyone installs and they just talk to
each other and then yeah that wasn't I
mean yes that's the tcpip layers
underneath but it's just like it's
disrupting wide area networks we don't
even need like like an AT&T line like we
had you know 20 years ago between
buildings that cost like a 1500 a
month just or even you know that's for a
slow connection and now we have things
like tail scale like we could basically
create a wide area network in our
basement with for nothing just in
incredible to me that we have that
ability to do that now yeah I I'd always
read the promise of like certificate
based authentication as you know like
when I first read the IP IPC
specification I was like oh this is
going to be great because you can get
ubiquity this will be like SSL but you
have a different mechanism for sharing
the Sears and like you can have this
kind of secure functionality on the
internet and that's not what that's not
what it ended up being at all so it's
like yeah is uh didn't didn't really
work out that way but we're getting
there now well you know Hamachi started
a lot of this the original Hamachi
Network that we all used and they oh
right that they were the first ones to
do this uh and oddly they used to use a
public IP space at the time it was I
mean it was technically public IP to the
RFC but it wasn't in use so they get
away with it for a while
but yeah yeah yeah that's absolutely the
case so I'm trying to think I what else
is on the anything else uh that you know
is on the radar coming out or even
anything on your channel that we should
look out for that that you're about to
review other than obviously what you
just uh told us about a little Nvidia
box little invid box I'm gonna go to GTC
and so and take a look at the stuff
that's going on there because there's
some there's some you know everybody's
everybody's hot for AI and everything's
taking over the world but for me for the
home lab what I see AI is doing is
giving people more agency and and
control over stuff like we're in this
weird limbo where
everything is kind of consumer hostile
because every everybody wants everything
to be a subscription right you know it's
like right line must go up line must go
up we insist on line going up up and to
the right yeah yeah and it's never it's
like I want to DIY something you've
never it's like okay the large language
model is going to help you change out
your dishwasher or the large language
model is g to help you you know refinish
your deck or the large language model is
going to help you do whatever you would
normally
you know hire somebody else to do it's
going to be transformational for the
economy at both the microscopic and
macroscopic scale but it's also going to
create a lot of business opportunities
and it's also going to create like it's
going to make the internet unusable
probably because the same incentives
that exist now for blog spam it's like
I'm G to write a tutorial on like how to
do this thing it's like I'm just going
to go to a large language model and be
like write me a tutorial for this and
I'm going to copy paste it to the web
and then Google's going to come along
and be like oh this looks like a
reasonable tutorial for doing this and
I'm going to rank it really highly and
then just everything becomes unusably
bad yeah and that's unfortunately um 404
media just did an article on this about
how bad it's getting and they called
Google out and it's kind of been a fun
back and forth that Google was fighting
with them on Twitter and they're like
where journalists we're just pointing
out the fact that the worst articles are
now popping up to the top that are
clearly written by undoubtedly some
garbage language model that just keyword
stuff this way you know it's the old way
of doing it was keyword stuffing but
essentially massage this to look like an
article that should be above other
articles that just shouldn't and uh Kyle
Hill did a really good video a deep dive
on the problem with these autogenerated
video systems uh that are doing it I
don't think uh were being done any
favors with the latest open AI uh
release of Seymour what is it called the
the new video generative thing that open
AI just released oh yeah yeah Kora or
something Samora or something like that
it's got some weird names yeah um so
okay yes I agree with you but if if you
pull this thread out like don't don't
look at it down here step back and look
at the the the we the three of us have a
unique opportunity that we didn't have
before you see Google being in the
middle of distribution and search and
everything else and then being able to
sell ads based on that they they held
all the cards so like if I wanted to run
an ad or advertise something on my
website and my rates were you know
$5,000 an ad Google could observe
someone going to my website and then
going to Grandma's cookie blog and
Grandma was willing to run ads for $100
and so Google could say okay I can get
that ad for those for that cohort in
front of who you want for a hundred
bucks and uh not $5,000 and so Google
could make a bunch of money on that with
AI and everything being a trash fire in
terms of content we have the power again
as Publishers like if we create content
or if we are known or if it's just like
yes this was blessed by the three of us
or the five of us or the 10 of us or
whatever in our cohort then that is
suddenly more valuable again and we
don't need middleman to sell that and we
don't need we we just like with the hom
assist and stuff is like it's a
genuinely good product the reason I like
it is because it is less human suffering
for the people that use it as compared
with say a nest thermostat or the Alexa
smart assistant like the hardware in
Alexa I happen to know one of the guys
that works on that Alexa Hardware the
hardware there is incredible there is
unbelievable engineering and computer
science that is in signal to noise like
it's just insane but the hardware is
it's like I would like to run this and
connect it to my local thing and maybe
there's some benefit for Amazon there
like will I'm willing to spend 200 bucks
on the hardware because it's that good
uh no no you can't you can't unlock it
you can't do any of that and so there is
this huge SE change where we are going
to seize control of the publishing and
take over all of this stuff and so when
you look at it microscopically this the
shift can only be that content from
published from people that you get to
know is the trusted content there's no
alternative there's no endgame I I agree
with that and and it's frustrating for
me I run into the same thing with you
know Tech articles or after work is over
gaming articles where they're obviously
written by Ai and it it they just drag
on and on and on it's like I'm trying to
figure out how to beat quest number 45
and then I look it up and it's like why
Quest 45 is important the history of the
design of this Quest the person who
thought it was a good idea the company
behind the game the birthday of the
second in command of the company
followed by at the very end the thing
that you actually went there to look for
and it's so obvious like you read the
that it's so robotical that it was just
people realize we could just flood
articles out there and that worries me a
bit but I feel better knowing because I
agree I think you you need to have that
Persona like a person around the content
whether it's a blog post or it's a a
video that you're getting information
from a person who has took their time to
vet the information just like you were
saying and um that that makes me feel a
little bit better because I I do feel
that we once you lose that human factor
completely then it it becomes
invalidated in my opinion you remember
the old days of the internet when you
had page Rank and people were buying
domains and then it was it was like you
know this domain is turned into
something else we're we're going to go
back to that like the the response from
Google the Band-Aid from Google is to
just look at their history of all the
domains and be like crap and then okay
Tom's Hardware and this and this and
this historically those were good and so
they're going to get a huge boost um and
all of the new sites and all the new
players they're going to be locked out
which is really kind of sucks but for us
I feel like we would take people under
our wing and into our community and be
like yes so and so has written an
amazing guide on blah blah blah and you
should check it out because it's
actually legit so we will be able to
combat some of that but Google's
response to this can only be to
retroactively increase the value of
stuff so it's like I'm gonna be getting
game guyses from Kotaku again what this
doesn't even make sense what world is
they've already pivoted away from that
kind of content I'm still mad about
joystick shutting down so many years ago
but that's just me that's such a great
sight site but but yeah I think that you
know everyone just we watch Sci-Fi even
people that aren't into Tech and then we
think that going to have um Ultron or
something out of this and then you know
it's just going to be a really bad
situation but I just feel like it's more
of a um query and response system than
anything else you know you give it a
query it returns something to you and
it's kind of like um extending our
capabilities as humans like maybe it's
just going to cut down time to program a
home lab because you can just explain
how you want it done and obviously
there's going to be issues you can go
back in and fix but get things done a
lot quicker than we could by ourselves
by extending our capabilities even
further I think that's a great thing
yeah well I want say too I I kind of
took a queue from you wendle a number of
years ago when I was like looking at
forums I use the same Forum software you
do use discourse right you're stilling
that yeah um and that's one reason I
created my own forums so I could host it
myself manage it myself be the one in
control and now five years after running
them I had to move servers because the
load got really high and uh that's
exactly the result I wanted um I was
actually looking I get about 50,000
unique visitors a week and six million
hits across there I know yours is
substantially bigger than
mine a lot of fun but see that but it's
also content so like a lot of our
community also is like hey we want to do
Discord let's do Discord and there's a
lot of Enthusiast communities that are
in Discord because it's like instant
response like you can get a thing you
can get instant response but that's
terrible for knowledge capture it is and
that's one of the reasons I I've doubled
down on this I've seen a few other um
epos Fox had made a couple rant about it
going quit sticking all your data and
discourse like it's not the place to put
it put it on a public forum where others
can without signing up just research and
find it if people want to sign up and
participate they can you create the
watering hole of good information like
there's cruff all around us uh let that
AI stuff do it if you know you go to
level one Tech forums Wendell has really
good writeups on any of the things that
you reference which I think is important
there's some of the cues I took as a
Creator going how I like what Wendell
does he talks about this project he
talks about the code for this you know
detailed step byep is all in the forums
perfect other people can participate and
iterate on it as well once they become
participants and I think it's a
beautiful thing it's it's not just that
I mean it's any more like it is
mind-blowing so we've got the launch of
like the new thread Ripper 7000 series
stuff and the thread Ripper 7000 series
stuff had like there are so many like
over $10,000 builds in our Forum it's
like good Lord this is crazy this is but
it's Lessons Learned and shared stuff
there's lots of weird things like if you
want to use suspend like S3 suspend a
lot of power supplies don't actually
have enough suspend standby power to
keep h panels of ddr5 registered ECC
memory powered well that's an
interesting problem that I didn't think
about yeah and so like we actually have
one guy who uh destroyed his power
supply only the 5volt standby current
and so everything kind of still works
but it won't post so like you turn it
off it's a real hard time a ballpoint
pen trick to turn it on then or yeah
yeah well and then you got to clear the
seos and then bringing it up and it's
just like Oh and it turns out it's
because the power supply standby current
was insufficient it nothing to do even
with S3 suspend it was just like their
their power supply could only handle
like an amp or two of standby current
and you need like three amps and it's
like well if you're getting you know if
you're spending three or four thousand
on a get like a 1,200 watt power supply
that's brand new like big question it's
2024 why does suspend and hibernate
still suck and I'm looking at every
operating system here yes Linux has
issues I know but I've had problems with
suspend on every op operating system and
how why is it in 2024 I can't like shut
my computer off you know like hibernate
style turn it on and boom my stuff is
there and it's ready to go um I mean we
started working on this and then when
you go into the trenches of Linux and
you look at like um I like suspend then
hibernate it's my one of my favorite
ways of doing it it suspends but if you
let it let it suspend for too long it
wakes up and then it hibernates itself
so it can retain its battery it's really
cool and the Linux kernel supports this
but they kind of just stopped and it's
in limbo and it's not default anywhere
we at least with gddr or D at least with
registered ddr5 so when when the when
the industry is bringing up registered
ddr5 or ddr5 it's registered servers
first it's always servers first right
and then they try to get it working in
the context of desktop and mobile and
everything else and so things things
change but uh in in desktop they never
figured that servers would ever want to
do S3 suspend so like s suspend in the
context of like a Server Motherboard has
basically never worked oh right right
that does make a lot of sense too
because sometimes I think about the
wasted power if a you know company's
only operating 8 to five I don't know
they don't even have a website maybe
they're just a local store or something
um well they still need a website but
the point is if you have a server that
you're not using 247 and it's not a 247
operation turn it off like gu no one's
even signing in um if they can suspend
that saves a lot of power but if
everybody thought about that the power
grid savings would be massive worldwide
if if you know just the small percentage
of companies that don't need a 247
operation just turn their servers off
but then suspend I could see why that'd
be hard on servers but I could also see
a benefit there too if it could just get
it to be reliable I really want to start
a blog about all the things that are
terrible with all of the different
operating systems in like a funny and
humorous way like I don't know how to I
need like just a punchline kind of thing
like like a oneliner and there's so many
there's so many and it's hard for me to
think of them off the top of my head but
like okay on Windows when the F when the
system first wakes up this is why I
thought of it you have to like swipe the
screen or do something like if I can't
just hit enter wake the machine and then
type my password that is so yeah I
thought about making a video one one
time and I I think I'll never do this
because of the YouTube algorithm will
make sure nobody ever sees it if it's
not directly Linux related but I just
thought about like like it just reminded
me because I thought about all the
annoying things that we deal with that
we never talk talk about that are just
small little problems like we copy P we
copy text it doesn't paste we copy it
again it works we move on but why didn't
it work the first time when you know you
hit the copy button or you're using your
mouse and you run it into your coffee
mug and click something you didn't mean
to click or you know all these little
tiny things that we deal with using
computers day human interaction with
digital is
hard too many people anxiety I think
yeah yeah because the computers do that
anyway but then we also can't figure out
so spend so yeah yeah I like the idea of
you open the thing and it's on like that
should be like less than a one second
operation that's how it was in the dawn
of like I want to give people ancient
machines like I want to give the
engineers and the software people
working on this like here's an hp200 LX
from
1993 the suspend resume experience
should be identical on Modern Hardware
the input latency should be identical on
Modern you hit on it's on you hit off
it's asleep and if it needs to wake
itself up and then go to like deep sleep
later that's cool just hide it from the
user like how hard is this come on why
are we still rebooting operating systems
anymore yeah yeah you know why why do we
need to reboot a server or your desktop
laptop nowadays um I never would have
thought we'd still be doing that but
here we are but I also never thought
we'd be using mice but we're still using
mice so I really want somebody to put an
llm into a desktop organization thing
because I find myself like when I need
to switch gears mentally I want to
switch gears quickly and workspaces is
kind of useful for this but I also want
to save and restore the entire state of
the workspace including browser tabs and
so it's just like I can't work on this
anymore I need to save the state of this
and my gosh if I could move that state
between a mobile machine and a computer
or like the computer at this desk and
the computer at another desk and the
computer somewhere else and I could just
be like and then all of my stuff would
go to the other machine I would be so
happy you brought brought up tabs and I
it's a it's a pet peeve of mine and I
don't think very many people will share
this but it'll be kind of funny if it
ends up being a thing where it's called
Tab sync but it isn't okay I think of
sync as you know like sync thing I save
a file on my desktop and it appears on
my laptop and I edit it on one and then
it sync to the other that's syncing okay
being able to go into your history and
then query the tabs that were last
opened the last time you had your laptop
open last Tuesday that's not stinking I
want to open a tab in my browser and
have that same tab automatically open on
my other computer and when I Clos that
tab on that computer I want it to
automatically close on the other one I
want an exact onetoone duplicated
browser tab experience but nobody the
closest thing we have is workspaces and
browsers which is my favorite Obsession
in browsers but we don't have true Tab
sync and I wish they'd stop calling it
Tab sync it's not so I I have this for
certain projects that I work on like one
or two days a month and my solution for
this has been a VM with Hardware
accelerated Graphics running on a server
that I RDP into and it's it's usually
the RDP protocol on Linux because the
RDP protocol on Linux with Hardware
acceleration which requires patches and
jumping through and a lot of headache is
an amazing and fast experience whereas
the RDP experience out of the box is
horrible and awful and no one like no
one understands what problem they're
trying to solve with the RDP with the
whole like oh it's a local login oh it's
not a local login it's a remote log like
no one understands right and the only
thing that I think makes that a problem
at least when I try it is watching a
YouTube video that's that's going to be
the thing that is going to have to be on
my local computer because at least for
me I've never had that work that's not
the best experience if you do the
hardware h264 acceleration it is
seamless and it is low latency and like
once you experience Hardware accelerated
RDP you don't go back yeah you're not
gonna go back it's it's and it's just
like oh I had no idea yeah and so like
if you want to save the state of your
like how I'm saving the state of my
workspace is literally the entire
machine
and so it's just like oh I had a bunch
of tabs open that were research or I was
looking at an academic Pap paper on like
RXV or whatever and it's there it's
still there and I trust that it's there
and I trust that an update or something
isn't going to wreck it it's all it's
just there like it's there on that
machine and it's easier for me to just
log into the entire machine and the
state of the machine is
there yeah someone brought up uh Vivaldi
and I I I'll you know touch on that real
quick have you guys used the the newer
style workspaces in any browser so far
no it's so transformative like like
Firefox doesn't have it but you know
other browsers do like Opera Baldi they
have it I think Chrome has it but I
don't know I don't use Chrome often but
imagine workspaces in your browser like
you have workspaces on your desktop so I
have a workspace for example system
administration so I click on it and then
my proxmox console tress console
whatever is there I switch to my reading
workspace and all the Articles I'm
reading are there and I could switch
back and forth and when I do all the
tabs disappear and only the tabs that
are in the other workspace appear and
you could just keep switching back and
forth I think Safari uh supports this as
well but uh I have a bug report for a
wish list in Firefox to get them to
adopt this because literally everyone
else is but it's the closest we come and
so someone mentioned Vivaldi and I just
wanted to yeah recognize that does have
that workspace feature I feel like it's
the closest we do have to a true Tab
sync experience but workspaces and
browsers just I feel like it's the new
like how tabs revolutionize browsing in
a way I feel like workspaces is going to
be like the the next thing like that on
that level if only Firefox would
implement it darn it yeah I I want that
not just for the brow well I mean okay
if you live in the browser like if
that's accelerating our browser only
future where like the browser does
everything which is where seems where
Microsoft seems to be going with all
their stuff yeah which is
fine I guess but I want the whole I need
I need the state of the whole desktop
like my Windows mysh connection you know
everything yeah I like all of that to
just be like I don't it should not I've
gotten to the point where I can context
switch faster than the computer and that
is
like good point yeah the only thing that
I feel like comes close to what you know
we would want is like having multiple
users on your computer with fast user
switching and every user has different
apps open you can switch back and forth
but that still doesn't solve the problem
of and I know we're complaining because
it's like how long does it take to boot
your computer I get it but at the same
time you add up all these small little
tiny inconsequential things and it adds
to a bigger frustration so the more
seamless things are the better overall
things can be and I think that's why we
care about these things because you know
we think of it like this can be better
the average person thinks of it like
well that's the way it is that's the
difference between people that are not
techies and people that are we want it
we want to see it better everyone else
either complains about it they don't but
they still at the end of the
day the world the way it is I want
there's a way I can reshape it to be but
we'll probably leave it at that because
we've gone on for about an hour
here no this is all good topic it's I I
really enjoyed this also the the screen
saver thing in Gnome it's like one
minute increments to 15 minutes and then
off and it's like really guys come on
that's still a thing why is started on
gnome because gnome has so many hidden
features and things in there like this
is going to put people in a rabit
like and I'll ask you wend I might have
told you so you might know did you know
that you can name your workspaces and no
no I didn't know that just workspace one
two three four right that's what it is
now there's no visibility in the guy
anywhere no settings not even in the
tweak tool you will there's no such
option but if you go into gcom you can
go in there and you could type a string
for each of the workspaces and it looks
like someone started working on this and
probably presumably was going to have
something exposed in the in the gooey so
you could change this and then I don't
know they just moved on to something
else but the framework is there you can
name your workspaces and I use anable to
name my workspaces so I could say this
is my CIS admin workspace this is my
email workspace and have them actually
labeled as such but it's like they
started and they stopped so there's so
many settings in Gnome and my point is
with the screen saer thing I wouldn't be
surprised if you could probably adjust
it down to the minute if you go through
you know the settings under the hood you
can yeah you can that was an assumption
and I was right why was I right because
I've been fighting gnome for years so
yeah um yeah I'm I'm watching what
system 76 is doing with Cosmic and it's
just like I get why why they're working
on Cosmic After experiencing the like
why can't I have a 20 minutes why can't
I have an hour because sometimes you
know I get distracted by things and it's
like I need this to stay on for an hour
so that I know it's like oh that
computer's on I need to finish the thing
that I was doing on that computer and
that's just because I'm so
scattered I remember when looking
forward to the whole Cosmic release this
is
something we haven't seen in a Linux s
hopper in a while some true excitement
I'm I'm here for it I've asked them like
three or four times if you could please
make it so you can name your workspaces
on demand I would really appreciate it
they said they're interested and they
might do it I'm not gonna I can't speak
for them but it was funny when the pap
tiling came out and I remember I was
there at the not when they first came up
with it but when they were announcing it
and it was Be You Know Carl had this
ultrawide Monitor and he's running gnome
and didn't like the way gnome and I
don't like the way gnome is on a monitor
of that size because you you split like
you tile a window on the left and the
right in Gnome you have like just your
monitors cut in half but they started
some people started using sway because
you know that that worked out better
then that that like let's put this in
popos we're not even using our own OS we
want to so they put it in there because
you know they they scratched an itch as
so many other things did and then next
thing you know you have sway inspired
tiling in Pap yeah yeah it's and that's
that's the nice awesomeness of Open
Source but I think if we're going to
ever have the year of the Linux desktop
it's going to take somebody that has
this kind of a mindset to become a
benevolent dictator like like lenus and
it's like this is what the desktop
experience is going to be and it's going
to make sense and then people are going
to use it and say oh this is amazing
that's the that's the that's the cult of
per personality that Apple has like
apple like somebody inside apple is
doing this kind of stuff it's like no we
will obsessively get the latency on this
down or we will obsess ly worry about
this thing and it's like there are
people like that that'll do that in the
in the community but then they're also
kind of hard to work with sometimes and
so it's kind of like we don't ever yeah
I tell people a lot like like I bring
this up every now and then like you know
what would it take for the year that
does stop to happen it's not going to
happen and you know in the way I see it
I could if I could conceivably in
Another Universe make a Linux Dro that
is 100% compatible with every app that
has ever been released I don't care if
it's iOS Android Windows Linux let's say
it's this the epitome of compatibility
and everything runs twice as fast it's
like the best thing ever no one's going
to change to it why because it's change
and I don't care how good it is the
minute you introduce change the average
person's at at work it's a work tool
they come home you know they socialize
they relax or whatever um they're not
trying to introduce like a whole
lifestyle change around their computer
and the average person doesn't talk
about op operating systems so as much as
I'd love to see Linux take over the
desktop um I feel like Linux is happy
where it is it's not losing any Linux
isn't losing any sleep about its
inability to saturate the desktop so I
think we're
fine that's just my my opinion on the
matter it's it's people overanalyze
things it's just as soon as you
introduce change unless you have a
company like apple to tell you why you
need this change nobody's gonna go for
it well let me let me turn the
conversation I don't know we're out of
time but this is this maybe like
homework go right ahead turn the turn
the conversation on it on its side a
little
bit if you had an easier ability to do
the kinds of customization that you want
like the screen saver thing which I had
to dig in and find like you apparently
had had the itch for the workspaces yeah
then maybe we would see more of it's
like it's easier to do the app
development it's easier to do the
customization it's easier to do abcxyz
if you look at open source office suites
like open Office like the code base and
the methodology and like modern like how
we do software development in 2024 and
how that project is structured way
different if we had a desktop
environment that like if we just did uh
what is Joel spolsky had a word for this
where you do the transformation like you
don't change anything you just go and
you do cleanup and and you just make it
the modern process if we did that if we
did a pass like that on gnome or
something else like that so that you
don't have to be a 17th level wizard in
order to make these kinds of
customizations I think that is what will
lead to the year of the Linux desktop
because suddenly it becomes way easier
for everybody to do this llms might do
that it's like asking llms like I want
to customize my stuff or it's like this
is weird it seems like I'm getting an
extra frame of compositing what's going
on and it's like oh you can do this or
install this patch from the sky and it
fixes it it's like oh okay and I think
it's a really good point because if you
have to learn the technical debt in
order to make the modification like oh
you can't touch the hour thing because
there's a chain reaction that happens
when you touch it those are the problems
right once you get into kind of a modern
code base you're like
it's structured well it makes it a lot
easier to develop on that framework yeah
and giving people better tools to be
able to do those kinds of customization
making it EAS making the whole
development tool chain a little easier
is good and like having developed a
couple of device drivers for the Linux
kernel for obscure Hardware way back in
the day um they made it really easy for
developers and it's very easy to like
okay this thing doesn't belong in the
kernel but you need to build your own
thing it's not an impossible task
the way that it is for some of the other
stuff so that's really cool yeah that is
yeah that's uh wow lots to think about
lots of homework now I love that's what
I love about talking about home lab
stuff it's like I always end up like
that was a good idea that was a good
idea and then I know what I'm doing
later so starts getting on this Hardware
my favorite thing about home lab and
like if you organize your documents you
organize your files like I had I had a
media collection that I stopped using
for a few years because it was like a
streaming services are good enough they
no longer are and guess what I've dusted
off my old media collection and so it's
just like yes that's what I'm guess
we're having a conversation about later
today yeah that's like the next thing me
and Jay were we have a a two o'clock
that we're doing and it's about that
because in uh there's actually even
since chaye invited me to that there's
been like two more companies that have
really screwed up um Crunchyroll I think
is one of them but they're just really I
didn't know about yeah I got a list and
I got I got I got notes I made because
it's kind of crazy all these companies
that you paid for you bought the media
now you have no way you couldn't
download it and now the subscriptions
you bought and your ability to view
those are gone and it's coming at quite
a question I know PlayStation uh is one
of them that did this some of the media
bought and it's it's kind of sad I mean
we we talk about we like retro games and
we talk about being one of the golden
era of gaming but it's because it's the
last time you can own your media games
released today are so tied to these
licensed servers and everything else or
only work with activation with an online
server or interact with that server so
once that server goes away the game
itself becomes useless so 20 years from
now we weren't going to play those same
games that we're playing in 2024 um
they're not a lot of local Anda games
I'm hoping to see a Resurgence in that
but it's really interesting because the
whole concept of media ownership like
the streaming services were supposed to
solve it and they didn't the lawyers and
got involved the minute you introduce
complexity into Leisure Time you failed
I don't care if it's a game or a movie
music or a TV show whatever it is you're
into you listen watch whatever to unwind
nobody wants to think about finances
during that time they don't want to
think about work during that time it's
their escape but now you know they're
being nickled and dimed at every single
opportunity constantly having to think
about the money aspect of it they don't
even know if the season they're in the
middle of is going to be there tomorrow
for them to finish it and that's the
world we live in so that's just um very
unsettling but we we have we'll have a
lot to say about that that is that is a
side mission for all of our audiences
and all of our content is we we probably
should put more of an effort into
organizing our audiences around getting
our Congress creators to enshrine in law
the first sale Doctrine as it exists for
books for digital media great idea yeah
I mean yeah the the way I look at it if
I buy a Blu-Ray from the store it's up
to me to keep it safe if I step on it my
fault if I lose it my fault it's my
responsibility but when someone else is
holding on to my media for me I I just
like you were saying I want to see
better stewardship of this you know I
want to see respons ability here because
I'm not trying to lose an investment I
want the right to format shift the media
enshrined in law period yes absolutely
agree
yep Absol AB one day we'll have it I
actually feel positive about the future
it's it's up to it's only will only we
will only have it one day if we mobilize
our audiences and demand it because
otherwise we're just going to be we're
going to continue to be the slow boiling
frogs that we are and we we've already
seen the future we're living it yeah
we're living it ensive to me when so
when Sony announced what they announced
and this last thing I'll say about it
I'll get get off my Soap Box um
obviously in the end user license
agreement they had the right to do this
blah blah blah but I still think there
should have been a bigger outcry from
people people should have been everyone
should have been screaming it's like
people were too complacent about losing
their investment it it sure it was all
over the news but it was not that big it
was just kind of a barely a blip in
Sony's um controversy history yeah and
that's surprising to me because I I feel
like everyone should just make sure they
understand that that this isn't
acceptable but as long as we let them do
it they're going to keep doing it so
that was that was true with books as
well like when they before the first
sale Doctrine it was just they got away
with a lot in terms of like well you
agreed not to resell this book when you
bought it and we're the only place you
can buy the book so you have to agree to
it there's a lot of that same sort of
we're going to hold you hostage with all
of this you have no choice like what are
you going to do not use Amazon what are
you going to do not use Google and then
the hilarious
well not hilarious but you know kind of
hilarious story it's ironic and it's
hilarity 1984 being taken off of
everybody's um you know Kindle a long
time ago which was like the the the
worst possible book that you could take
off of people's devices yeah a do and I
I do like I think he refers it to as not
just the inch ification cycle but also
felony contemp of business
model well you you were treated in a
very poor way he's um his his last
couple books uh about that sees the
means of computation great book along
with his chokepoint capitalism he talks
tons about media ownership rights I read
both of them and it's just your head's
spinning when you're like God these
companies are
bad yeah they will literally do what
they're allowed to do under the law as
amoral and yeah and they are determined
to rate worse laws continuously yeah
yeah
like it's it's not sustainable like we
we have like the fact that we have large
language models that will enable the
individual to have agency like they have
never had before which is incredible and
so it's like let's put it to work how
long until we tell something like a a
language model to create a TV series
centered around this kind of character
with this kind of storyline in this
setting and then next thing you know
we're just watching it and but it
regurgitates it's not original it
regurgitates I can wish years there was
a joke that I made when I first appeared
on the internet which is the the at the
rate we're going we're going to be able
to just say all right take Peter
Jackson's Lord of the Rings replace all
the characters with Danny DeVito or
Nicholas Cage and you know let me see
and that's you can you we so close to
that so close breathtakingly close to
that so I don't have to syn the dark
side of the moon to Wizard of Oz
manually
anymore somebody did uh Danny Devo from
Always Sunny in Boulders Gate 3 and it
was just it's amazing it's just
incredible that sounds great my favorite
one so far was was uh the Cable Guy in
cyberpunk nice yeah that was the best ah
this is great all right once again wend
thank you so much for day was great
pleasure we'll see you around and uh
thanks than everyone see
you